tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5811349.post112305379137692203..comments2019-11-21T09:06:08.157-05:00Comments on The Unfinished Compendium: Scott Elarton, AgainRyanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00901005508617852416noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5811349.post-1123101721018139332005-08-03T16:42:00.000-04:002005-08-03T16:42:00.000-04:00http://cleveland.indians.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/p...http://cleveland.indians.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/press_releases/press_release.jsp?ymd=20050803&content_id=1156034&vkey=pr_cle&fext=.jsp&c_id=cle<BR/><BR/><BR/>Boone is coming back. but as the article shows, when you look at him from early june on, it makes a ton of sense.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5811349.post-1123099134737651572005-08-03T15:58:00.000-04:002005-08-03T15:58:00.000-04:00Regarding VORP: No stat is perfect. It's importan...Regarding VORP: No stat is perfect. It's important that we recognize the limitations of each stat we use. VORP is, as far as I can tell, an excellent tool for evaluating a player's overall offensive value to a team over time. It doesn't tell anything about defense or peak production during limited playing time. And it's not designed to do so. For a complete picture, we need to use more than one stat, but that doesn't make VORP less meaningful. It all goes back to knowing how to use the tools you have, and knowing when that tool isn't appropriate for the job.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5811349.post-1123093912800949232005-08-03T14:31:00.000-04:002005-08-03T14:31:00.000-04:00Anon,I'm using VORP just to look at the offense, a...Anon,<BR/><BR/>I'm using VORP just to look at the offense, and specifically who among the Indian position players are contributing most to it. Also, Baseball Prospectus does list VORP by position, which makes it pretty easy to use. I could use WARP if you'd like, which does factor in defense in a player's value. But BPro doesn't list WARP by position.Ryanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00901005508617852416noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5811349.post-1123090300830095852005-08-03T13:31:00.000-04:002005-08-03T13:31:00.000-04:00Speaking of misleading stats, how can we have resp...Speaking of misleading stats, how can we have respect for VORP when it ignores a player's defensive contribution? I know that OSP is equally weak, but the word "value" doesn't appear in OSP. I use Vic Martinez as an example. When you factor in his inability to throw out base stealers, his "value" to the team is lower. (I don't want to hear about how badly our pitchers hold runners, I know it's a factor. It doesn't totally excuse Vic's performance.)<BR/>Now don't jump on me just because I used Vic as the example. We could use Manny as well. Maybe VORP should be renamed OVORP or Offensive Value Over Replacement Player.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5811349.post-1123088462730592682005-08-03T13:01:00.000-04:002005-08-03T13:01:00.000-04:00Statistics will tell us what we need to know if we...<I>Statistics will tell us what we need to know if we're careful about how we use them (and if we're not careful about how we use them, Tampa Bay may want to hire us).</I><BR/><BR/>I agree. Misusing statistics can be just as dangerous as ignoring them.Ryanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00901005508617852416noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5811349.post-1123086989730551822005-08-03T12:36:00.000-04:002005-08-03T12:36:00.000-04:00The thing that struck me right away about Ingraham...The thing that struck me right away about Ingraham's article is that he cites a few specific examples from one series to explain how the Indians aren't good with "fundamentals." But even the White Sox make errors and have days where they don't score their runners from 2nd and 3rd. You have to look at long-term trends to see fundamentals, by their very nature, don't you?<BR/><BR/>Also, I don't entirely buy the concept that fundamentals are unmeasurable--it's just very, very hard to isolate them from the events of a game. They're a component of every statistic recorded, just not separated from the statistic for easy digestion. In other words, if you play good fundamental defense, it will be reflected in meaningful defensive statistics (but not necessarily errors). Statistics will tell us what we need to know if we're careful about how we use them (and if we're not careful about how we use them, Tampa Bay may want to hire us).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5811349.post-1123083481898374092005-08-03T11:38:00.000-04:002005-08-03T11:38:00.000-04:00Having great pitching makes up for a lot. I wonder...Having great pitching makes up for a lot. I wonder what Ingrahame is going to say when the Sox get swept out of the playoffs. How about the A's? They eschew littleball, but that doesn't fit the template now, does it? Or maybe Wedge should have called for the surprise suicide squeeze last night with the bases loaded and nobody out? Would that qualify as playing the game the right way? Reading that was almost as bad as watching baseball tonight and hearing John Kruk wax poetic about how Ron Villone was going to help the Marlins.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5811349.post-1123083431086813202005-08-03T11:37:00.000-04:002005-08-03T11:37:00.000-04:00Ingraham is talking gibberish...Does a grasp of th...Ingraham is talking gibberish...<BR/><BR/>Does a grasp of the fundamentals truly lead to wins, or do wins reflect a teams *perceived* grasp of fundamentals? I'll go with the latter. Especially since he can't even define fundamentals.<BR/><BR/>It's a joke that this guy can get away with 'thinking out loud' and call it sportswriting. It's no wonder that fans are turning towards other fans' blogs instead of 'mainstream' writers.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5811349.post-1123072258815915862005-08-03T08:30:00.000-04:002005-08-03T08:30:00.000-04:00apparently the phillips saga is a smashing success...apparently the phillips saga is a smashing success! 2HR for brandon last night, which means he will be an AMAZING AAA player for years to come, but didn't we already know that from last season? probably being too cynical. i actually hope he does what he needs to do and is the starting 2b next season.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com